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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://livingoffdividends.com/2009/01/31/another-case-for-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-33125</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 05:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, I apppreciate your point of view and agree with your assumptions.  I am acting on a similar thesis.  This is also the thesis of those who are experts on the Great Depression.  The pure math of what you are saying is true.  If paper wealth is destroyed by a change in attitude of the market (fear), then the same fiat currency can just as easily be created to replace the lost paper wealth.  The hard assets remain the same.  It is only how they are valued that has changed.  

Price is all about attitude, or better yet, expectations.  In the 1970s, the big challenge was to break the reinforcing cycle of &quot;inflationary expectations&quot;.  With unionized labor a large component of end product cost, the more inflation was expected, the more the unions demanded in Cost of Living Adjustments (COLA).  Product price was increased to pay for the increase labor costs.  The cycle would repeat and inflation accelerated.  This went on until Paul Volcker hit the brakes by shutting down the money supply (by aggressively selling Treasuries) and jacking interest rates to 20% in the process.  From that point in 1980 until now, the trend in money supply growth and interest rates has been down until we are now at negative money growth or deflation (the Treasury has been aggressively buying bonds until very recently, eliminating 30 year bonds altogether in the process).

The way out is to increase money supply faster than asset deflation is destroying it.  Ben Bernanke is doing just this.  Deflation will be stopped by 2010 as surely as inflation was stopped in 1980.  But it will eventually bring about the opposite problem, which is what worries a lot of readers of this blog.  

Just as paper or financial assets were the place to be during the 30 year period of money supply contraction, hard assets, including gold, are the place to be during a period of money supply expansion.  It is also prudent to invest away from the dollar which will depreciate against currencies from countries that have a wealth of natural resources, like Canada and Australia, or that run a large trade surplus, like China.  

So, I think most of the readers and writers here are correct in their analysis, but inflation is nothing to fear, as long as one is prepared.  The doomsday scenarios (requiring guns) are much more likely in an extended period of deflation (like the 1930s), than in a period of inflation, so long as it stays under 10%, which is manageable.  

IMHO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, I apppreciate your point of view and agree with your assumptions.  I am acting on a similar thesis.  This is also the thesis of those who are experts on the Great Depression.  The pure math of what you are saying is true.  If paper wealth is destroyed by a change in attitude of the market (fear), then the same fiat currency can just as easily be created to replace the lost paper wealth.  The hard assets remain the same.  It is only how they are valued that has changed.  </p>
<p>Price is all about attitude, or better yet, expectations.  In the 1970s, the big challenge was to break the reinforcing cycle of &#8220;inflationary expectations&#8221;.  With unionized labor a large component of end product cost, the more inflation was expected, the more the unions demanded in Cost of Living Adjustments (COLA).  Product price was increased to pay for the increase labor costs.  The cycle would repeat and inflation accelerated.  This went on until Paul Volcker hit the brakes by shutting down the money supply (by aggressively selling Treasuries) and jacking interest rates to 20% in the process.  From that point in 1980 until now, the trend in money supply growth and interest rates has been down until we are now at negative money growth or deflation (the Treasury has been aggressively buying bonds until very recently, eliminating 30 year bonds altogether in the process).</p>
<p>The way out is to increase money supply faster than asset deflation is destroying it.  Ben Bernanke is doing just this.  Deflation will be stopped by 2010 as surely as inflation was stopped in 1980.  But it will eventually bring about the opposite problem, which is what worries a lot of readers of this blog.  </p>
<p>Just as paper or financial assets were the place to be during the 30 year period of money supply contraction, hard assets, including gold, are the place to be during a period of money supply expansion.  It is also prudent to invest away from the dollar which will depreciate against currencies from countries that have a wealth of natural resources, like Canada and Australia, or that run a large trade surplus, like China.  </p>
<p>So, I think most of the readers and writers here are correct in their analysis, but inflation is nothing to fear, as long as one is prepared.  The doomsday scenarios (requiring guns) are much more likely in an extended period of deflation (like the 1930s), than in a period of inflation, so long as it stays under 10%, which is manageable.  </p>
<p>IMHO</p>
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		<title>By: Living Off Dividends</title>
		<link>http://livingoffdividends.com/2009/01/31/another-case-for-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-33108</link>
		<dc:creator>Living Off Dividends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, 
I have a very intelligent friend who&#039;s buying gold and guns. He&#039;s also buying TIPS. He works for a famous private university here in Southern California and says that when the university is on a hiring freeze, the economy is really in a bad state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,<br />
I have a very intelligent friend who&#8217;s buying gold and guns. He&#8217;s also buying TIPS. He works for a famous private university here in Southern California and says that when the university is on a hiring freeze, the economy is really in a bad state.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://livingoffdividends.com/2009/01/31/another-case-for-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-33056</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a reader of this blog for a while and appreciate the intelligent opinions and debate (as compared to say the comments on Marketwatch). As someone without an MBA just trying to navigate through the storm - I find the comments regarding both sides of the inflation debate interesting.

Several have made the point about the printing presses (creation of money) eventually bringing on inflation due to the fact it creates an expansion of the money supply. My question would be, since our money supply (dollar) is a fiat currency (it is not tied to any hard assets anymore)- would one not need to take into account the destructive elements of the bubble bursting on the &quot;money supply&quot;? Meaning - what about all the paper wealth that was disintegrated with the collapsing housing market and then stock market. Yes - much of this wealth was just on paper - but so is our entire monetary supply. Is it possible that as the fed prints money - it is just replacing some of the wealth that evaporated? 

I know several people whose net worth two years ago made them millionaires, but who are practically broke today. Despite what &quot;helicopter Ben&quot; has done, their money supply did not expand - but contracted. And they now act accordingly (they are not buying stuff).

I apologize if the question is silly - but just a layperson trying to figure out the best way to protect my family. Should I buy guns and gold or act like Buffet and tread into equities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a reader of this blog for a while and appreciate the intelligent opinions and debate (as compared to say the comments on Marketwatch). As someone without an MBA just trying to navigate through the storm &#8211; I find the comments regarding both sides of the inflation debate interesting.</p>
<p>Several have made the point about the printing presses (creation of money) eventually bringing on inflation due to the fact it creates an expansion of the money supply. My question would be, since our money supply (dollar) is a fiat currency (it is not tied to any hard assets anymore)- would one not need to take into account the destructive elements of the bubble bursting on the &#8220;money supply&#8221;? Meaning &#8211; what about all the paper wealth that was disintegrated with the collapsing housing market and then stock market. Yes &#8211; much of this wealth was just on paper &#8211; but so is our entire monetary supply. Is it possible that as the fed prints money &#8211; it is just replacing some of the wealth that evaporated? </p>
<p>I know several people whose net worth two years ago made them millionaires, but who are practically broke today. Despite what &#8220;helicopter Ben&#8221; has done, their money supply did not expand &#8211; but contracted. And they now act accordingly (they are not buying stuff).</p>
<p>I apologize if the question is silly &#8211; but just a layperson trying to figure out the best way to protect my family. Should I buy guns and gold or act like Buffet and tread into equities.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://livingoffdividends.com/2009/01/31/another-case-for-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-32768</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bdcblogs...i think you have it backwards.  Monetary contraction is the proximate cause of deflation and a decline in prices is the effect, not the other way around.  Housing foreclosures (and the resulting evaporation of assets convertible to money) are a form of monetary contraction, as is a reversal of the &quot;carry trade&quot; and its leveraging effect on the economy, which was very popular among huge hedge funds.  The contraction created by those two events, is almost solely responsible for our deflation, which in turn is responsible for our global recession.

Global banking officials have been trying to put the water back in the leaking bathtub by expanding money supply to make up for the &quot;shadow bank&quot; contraction, as PIMCO&#039;s Paul McCulley calls it.  So far, they are behind the curve which is why the bathtub continues to empty (prices continue to fall).  It is the pricing effect we care about, because it affects our daily lives, not so much the contracting money supply cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bdcblogs&#8230;i think you have it backwards.  Monetary contraction is the proximate cause of deflation and a decline in prices is the effect, not the other way around.  Housing foreclosures (and the resulting evaporation of assets convertible to money) are a form of monetary contraction, as is a reversal of the &#8220;carry trade&#8221; and its leveraging effect on the economy, which was very popular among huge hedge funds.  The contraction created by those two events, is almost solely responsible for our deflation, which in turn is responsible for our global recession.</p>
<p>Global banking officials have been trying to put the water back in the leaking bathtub by expanding money supply to make up for the &#8220;shadow bank&#8221; contraction, as PIMCO&#8217;s Paul McCulley calls it.  So far, they are behind the curve which is why the bathtub continues to empty (prices continue to fall).  It is the pricing effect we care about, because it affects our daily lives, not so much the contracting money supply cause.</p>
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		<title>By: bdcblogs</title>
		<link>http://livingoffdividends.com/2009/01/31/another-case-for-gold/comment-page-1/#comment-32542</link>
		<dc:creator>bdcblogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be technically accurate...
Deflation is the contraction of the money supply. A side effect linked to deflation is a fall in prices.  However, falling prices does not = deflation.  The under-educated media is shouting deflation...but they are wrong.  Instead, prices are dropping in consumer goods &amp; real estate because there&#039;s no demand.  A fall in demand does not equal deflation.

Instead, the money supply has been growing by enormous amounts.  Inflation is the expansion of the money supply.  The side effect of inflation is an increase in prices.

Conclusion, the drop in consumer demand is covering up the real inflation (expanding money supply).  The money supply has grown so much that we will soon see hyperinflation and Gold/Silver prices Sky-Rocket.  The dollar is the next bubble to burst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be technically accurate&#8230;<br />
Deflation is the contraction of the money supply. A side effect linked to deflation is a fall in prices.  However, falling prices does not = deflation.  The under-educated media is shouting deflation&#8230;but they are wrong.  Instead, prices are dropping in consumer goods &amp; real estate because there&#8217;s no demand.  A fall in demand does not equal deflation.</p>
<p>Instead, the money supply has been growing by enormous amounts.  Inflation is the expansion of the money supply.  The side effect of inflation is an increase in prices.</p>
<p>Conclusion, the drop in consumer demand is covering up the real inflation (expanding money supply).  The money supply has grown so much that we will soon see hyperinflation and Gold/Silver prices Sky-Rocket.  The dollar is the next bubble to burst.</p>
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